How on earth is the flash on the Ip5s and the S4 better than the flash on the nokia 808??? that is just outrageous... have you ever seen a photo taken by any of these phones? the IQ of the 808 with flash is miles, light years, ahead of these phones.. with 808 you can see perfect details even metters away, you get perfect skin tones, you get to eliminate motion blur, you get cero noise!!! I don't think anybody in its full senses would believe what you are saying, no matter what... This is unbelievable! it is the greatest lie I've ever read by a respected forum in my life... simply outrageous... sorry if I was rude, but I really can't help it.